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The Top 14 SEO Tips for 2019 - Part 2 - Best SEO Podcasts
Join Matt and Chris for another thrilling episode of the Best SEO Podcast! TRANSCRIPT:

Matt Bertram: Howdy!

Chris Burress: Hi, welcome to the SEO Podcast Unknown Secrets of Internet Marketing. My name is Chris Burress, owner of eWebResults.

Matt Bertram: My name is Matt Bertram, owner of eWebResults.

Chris Burress: Also! And I noticed you wore the same shirt as last time, didn’t you?

Matt Bertram: I did. Time passed, and then like four days later and I was still …

Chris Burress: You were still in the same shirt.

Matt Bertram: Yeah, in the same shirt, in the same place. It’s really …

Chris Burress: Really weird.

Matt Bertram: Those lights, oh man.

Chris Burress: Because I’m wearing the same shirt too.

Matt Bertram: Oh man, oh man!

Chris Burress: Yeah, it’s kind of crazy. We are broadcasting live here from Houston Texas, and Matt and I, we are your results rebels!

Matt Bertram: Your results rebels!

Chris Burress: Which symbol? This is cougars.

Matt Bertram: I’m going to just go aggie.

Chris Burress: You’re just aggie, that’s your results rebels?

Matt Bertram: Yeah.

Chris Burress: That’s true. Hey, I want to jump into this review. We got a review. It is of course five stars.

Matt Bertram: Five stars.

Chris Burress: It’s from Chad Dingman, and he says, “Truly a unique group of individuals who are going above and beyond for your business. I feel powerful, motivated, and excited to go to work when listening to your podcast.” Thank you.

Matt Bertram: Ooh, I like that.

Chris Burress: Yeah, are you looking for a job?

Matt Bertram: We like those kind of people.

Chris Burress: Absolutely.

Matt Bertram: We’re past 7:00 here and there’s people back in the office working.

Chris Burress: Still working, yeah. Yes.

Matt Bertram: On you, clients that are listening, on your accounts, because we have dedicated people.

Chris Burress: Dedicated team.

Matt Bertram: And we care about your business.

Chris Burress: We care.

Matt Bertram: I got some testimonials that I can share from colloquial-

Chris Burress: Yeah, you want to share them?

Matt Bertram: No, it’s not a colloquialism.

Chris Burress: Is it word of mouth, just word of mouth or something?

Matt Bertram: Well Adam just got back from one of our construction clients.

Chris Burress: Oh yeah.

Matt Bertram: And he’s just great.

Chris Burress: Over the moon. Over the moon.

Matt Bertram: I don’t know, you want to speak to-

Chris Burress: I can say one thing he described is, “Yeah, I took a small $12,000 deal, and it was a commercial contracting job, and it turned into a $600,000 project.” And I was like, so as he was saying that, “Adam, did you write that really … Six, hundred … I want to remember, associate it with us, because we delivered that [crosstalk 00:02:09].”

Matt Bertram: Well yeah, he was very very relaxed, so when we brought him on as a client he was tough, he was really-

Chris Burress: He was worried.

Matt Bertram: He was worried. A lot of business owners when they come to us are really worried.

Chris Burress: Yeah.

Matt Bertram: They usually call us when it’s a hail mary, and they’re like “Can you do the impossible?” And we can.

Chris Burress: Yeah, we often do.

Matt Bertram: We often do. We should raise the prices.

Chris Burress: Yeah, we should.

Matt Bertram: But we can deliver new results if you understand what you’re doing. But he was so kind of-

Chris Burress: Standoffish in the beginning, actually, and apprehensive.

Matt Bertram: Yeah, apprehensive is a good word.

Chris Burress: Apprehensive is better.

Matt Bertram: Now he was so relaxed, he was showing us around, he’s opening up a branch in New York.

Chris Burress: And it was a surprise meeting.

Matt Bertram: Yeah. It was a surprise meeting, he’s opening up a branch in New York, wants us to do that. We’ve got some other clients that have other businesses, want us to do their websites. We’ve got two people that want to rebrand and spam what they’re doing. And really that’s the difference, because I know there are a lot of people out there that know that internet marketing works, they just haven’t found the right partner to help deliver the results that they know they can get.

Chris Burress: I like that, “partner”. It’s not just the right company, it’s the right partner.

Matt Bertram: Now really where we get success-

Chris Burress: We need your help, yeah.

Matt Bertram: Where we have success is, we have that constant feedback loop when we’re talking to them weekly, we understand their business, we’re in a lot of the calls. That’s really when it’s come to the next level. So some publicly traded companies we’re working with, basically when we’re in the calls of their quarterly projections, what they’re trying to do, what the goals are, and we can provide value and input there. It’s really helped take things to the next level for them.

Chris Burress: Pretty awesome punch in the face to you Chad. If this is the first time you’ve listened to the podcast, howdy and welcome to the podcast. We’re glad you’re here.

Matt Bertram: Howdy.

Chris Burress: If you’ve listened to this podcast before, you may be interested in some tips or tricks, and so you can get those by going to We made it really challenging.

Matt Bertram: That’s good.

Chris Burress: All right, we are going to be covering the second half of an article, so our last podcast was one through seven, of 14 ranking signals you need to optimize for in 2019. It’s by [Ali Berezovich 00:04:14]. Punch in the face to you Ali. We’ve covered his articles in the past, he does a really good job with his articles. We’re going to jump into that. If you’re in the middle of something and you maybe have an electronic device around you, you should tweet, so why don’t you tweet about us, hashtag eWebResults. We haven’t covered that in a while.

Matt Bertram: Or whatever platform you’re most comfortable with. Give us a brand mention.

Chris Burress: Shikow us!

Matt Bertram: Shikow us!

Chris Burress: We haven’t covered that in a-

Matt Bertram: A share, a like, or a follow. Shikow us! Shikow us.

Chris Burress: Yeah, shikow us, I like that. And also you can see the T-shirt that I’m wearing right now, which has nothing to do with Star Wars.

Matt Bertram: You know where you can get this T-shirt actually?

Chris Burress: Where? I don’t know.

Matt Bertram: This is the UFO museum in Roswell New Mexico, the official. That’s where I got this shirt.

Chris Burress: Did they just beam it to you?

Matt Bertram: Actually no, I didn’t get this shirt there. I got this in Reno, so never mind. Never mind.

Chris Burress: Well this shirt you can actually get by going to slash-

Matt Bertram: word slash swag.

Chris Burress: Swag. Yeah, you can get it there. All right, let’s jump into this. Again, 14 ranking signals you need to optimize for in 2019. We covered number seven. All right, so now, this is important, this is backlinks. The category is backlinks. Just a quick yes or no Matt, are backlinks important?

Matt Bertram: Yes.

Chris Burress: All right, good. Thank you.

Matt Bertram: All right, let’s move on.

Chris Burress: backlinks have been ruling ranking forever. Remember, the whole premise of page rank and the Google algorithm was about backlinks, and the value other websites, whether they be credible or not credible, give to your website by linking to it.

Matt Bertram: It’s a vote.

Chris Burress: It’s a vote.

Matt Bertram: It’s a vote.

Chris Burress: Yep. And it’s still the strongest indication of authority to Google. Quality link building should be your primary concern-

Matt Bertram: After content.

Chris Burress: If you want to make it to the top. That’s absolutely true. It depends on how competitive. There are industries where, if you’re in a small town in a niche, you may not need to do any backlinks. You may not.

Matt Bertram: That’s true.

Chris Burress: But if you’re in a competitive environment, and you’re in a competitive niche, yeah, it’d better be on your list.

Matt Bertram: Well I can tell you, if you do content, you do the side structure right, and then you just do on-page links, your on-page link structure siloing if you want to look it up, SEO silo, we can get in actually competitive niches, like here in Houston. It depends on the niche, and-

Chris Burress: How competitive, but yes, competitive.

Matt Bertram: How competitive. We could typically get two callbacks on the first page. So we’ll double silo the page, where we’ll take out-

Chris Burress: So [inaudible 00:06:49] two callbacks, you’re talking, say position one and position two. Home page and internal page.

Matt Bertram: Yeah, we’ve got that for a number of clients.

Chris Burress: Yeah, in competitive industries. Yeah, you could do that-

Matt Bertram: With just on pages.

Chris Burress: And you’ve got to have the right [crosstalk 00:06:58].

Matt Bertram: And there’s all kinds of crazy stuff you can do in this arena, and I think it gets over the top, and that’s really what Google’s trying to do with these algorithm updates, is keep the people that are doing some crazy stuff in check. Because it’s a little bit of the wild west. But if you just follow the right steps that Google outlines for the user’s benefit, you’re going to be fine.

Chris Burress: You’re going to be in good shape. So one of the things that you’ll probably want to do is some backlink research, some backlink analysis of your competitor. That’s one of the cool tactics. He mentions, Ali mentions, SEO Spyglass. Compare your linking profile with those of your competitors. That’s a way to do it.

Matt Bertram: SEMrush, Ahrefs, Ubersuggest is great.

Chris Burress: Yeah.

Matt Bertram: There’s a lot of tools out there that do this. Moz has some good stuff. It just depends what you’re trying to do, and what granularity you need to see. There’s trust flow, there’s a lot of different things.

Chris Burress: Yep. All right, number eight. Number of backlinks and linking domains. Although Google definitely appreciates quality more than quantity … Well …

Matt Bertram: So true. So true, there’s links out there, one link’s worth 1,000 spammy links.

Chris Burress: Yep. And still, the number of backlinks, total number, has an impact on your ranking. Links coming from a single domain carry much less weight compared to those coming from various domains.

Matt Bertram: Yes.

Chris Burress: If you have 100 links from one domain into yours, that doesn’t have as much value as if you’ve got one link from 100 different domains.

Matt Bertram: Link diversity!

Chris Burress: Link diversity.

Matt Bertram: And there’s different types of links, there’s images, there’s forms, there’s all kinds of stuff you can get.

Chris Burress: That’s certainly true. Number of links, right, and the linking domain. Number nine, link authority. No matter how many links you have, they need to be of good quality, right. Quality over quantity.

Matt Bertram: Yes.

Chris Burress: Carry out regular backlink audits, because maybe you’ve been kind of spammed by one of your competitors. If you’ve spotted some spammy links, make sure to contact the website owners who link to you, asking them politely to remove.

Chris Burress: I don’t know how that conversation goes. It’s like, “Your website is junk. Could you please not link your junk website to my”-

Matt Bertram: You could just go into search console and-

Chris Burress: And disavow it.

Matt Bertram: Yeah, you can disavow it. But here’s the thing. There’s something out there … This was some SEMrush training. It was called … They actually called it, excuse my French, “Shitty church links,” is what they called them.

Chris Burress: Okay, yeah.

Matt Bertram: Basically it was hyper local businesses that are in your market, that just don’t have a good quality website. Those are needed for local searches, and you do want some of those.

Chris Burress: Yeah, right.

Matt Bertram: Now if they’re coming out of a different country or something like that, that’s not helpful.

Chris Burress: That would be shitty foreign church links.

Matt Bertram: Yeah. But if you’re looking for real businesses that just haven’t put the money into the site but they’ve been around a long time, they’ve got domain authority, it’s a legit business, those links, even though …

Chris Burress: They don’t seem as relevant, right.

Matt Bertram: They don’t seem as relevant, they actually are helpful, and you’re looking for, again, that link diversity.

Chris Burress: Well if you’re active in your community, at some point somebody in your community is going to link to you.

Matt Bertram: And also yeah, they’re looking at that footprint that that company has-

Chris Burress: In that community.

Matt Bertram: So they’re going to be listed in the Chamber of Commerce, or they’re going to have brand mentions, and they’re going to be shared on social media. So you can tell a fake site versus a real site pretty easily with some tools.

Chris Burress: Yep, pretty easy. All right, so make sure you’ve got good link authority. Next is link anchor text. Anchor text is a bit less important than it used to be. Keyword-rich anchor text still firmly stays an important relevant signal for Google, that’s a little contradictory. I would say that anchor text is still very important, but you need to make sure you have anchor text diversity. We talked about domain diversity in terms of inbound links, you’ve got to have anchor text diversity.

Matt Bertram: I will tell you that I have seen some crazy things. Anchor text used to carry a ton of weight, and people were doing some crazy things. There’s even people out there still … I just had a pretty large client come to me, and all the stuff that was being done on the website, it was not optimized at all on page. At all. The client that was managing the account was a bigger company, I’m not going to name names, but they didn’t do anything. They were just driving stuff from some crazy things to it, and the linker text was the word that they were going for repeated like 10 times.

Chris Burress: Oh, so that linker text would’ve been like, “Air conditioning air conditioning air conditioning,” and then that would be the link?

Matt Bertram: And then also the location.

Chris Burress: Okay. “Air conditioning Houston air conditioning Houston.”

Matt Bertram: Yeah.

Chris Burress: And that would be the … Wow.

Matt Bertram: And it was just like …

Chris Burress: It’s keyword stuff in the anchor text.

Matt Bertram: Oh yeah. And guess what, it works.

Chris Burress: It worked.

Matt Bertram: It works. If they get a manual review on that, they’re done.

Chris Burress: Done, yeah.

Matt Bertram: Like sacrifice client, so done.

Chris Burress: Yeah, start a new domain.

Matt Bertram: You start a new domain, done. You’ve got to be careful about doing it, and also including the location in with the word. It needs to be natural. If you’re building links it needs to be natural, so don’t overdo it.

Chris Burress: Yeah.

Matt Bertram: Where marketers get in trouble is, they overdo it like that link I just suggested. Don’t overdo stuff. And also, even if you don’t get manually penalized, some of these algorithms will filter out that stuff, and what they do is, they devalue that domain, or that link, without … It just kind of falls into the algorithm.

Chris Burress: Into the devalue algorithm.

Matt Bertram: Yeah. The update.

Chris Burress: So one point here, valid, was anchor text needs to be semantically relevant to the topic of your content. That’s not 100% true, because you might put … Sometimes your anchor text should be “Click here”. Because they might have a paragraph with, “Hey this is the best SEO company in Houston, and if you want to connect with eWebResults, click here.” And “click here” is the link. So it doesn’t have to be, but what you want is, the semantic content around the linked should be relevant to the [crosstalk 00:13:17].

Matt Bertram: That carries value too.

Chris Burress: All right, next. The next category is user experience. This used to be, didn’t matter, back in the day, at all.

Matt Bertram: Oh, it matters.

Chris Burress: It matters. It really matters.

Matt Bertram: If you want to say in the position you get to by whatever it is you do, time on page, all those different ranking factors, are people taking action, those things will keep you in the incumbent spot that you get to. I see something I call the Google dance, like when you start doing SEO, it’s like trying to see how your data compares versus other people in those positions, and who should be there, based on what they’re doing on page. So SEO gets you there; user experience keeps you there.

Chris Burress: Yeah.

Matt Bertram: That’s my new quote.

Chris Burress: Ooh, that’s good.

Matt Bertram: Yeah.

Chris Burress: SEO gets there, user experience keeps you there.

Matt Bertram: That’s a, what are the little pictures?

Chris Burress: Meme.

Matt Bertram: A beam.

Chris Burress: Meme, not beam.

Matt Bertram: [Four Chains 00:14:13].

Chris Burress: Beam is the alien. Meme is the literature.

Matt Bertram: Four Chains, come on, help us out.

Chris Burress: You’re supposed to have a super fast uber convenient website to make your visitors stay and compete when you want to compete for high positions on the results pages.

Matt Bertram: Yeah.

Chris Burress: We’re going to jump into what that really means. Number 11 is page speed. I know, I’ve been hearing the team talk about page speed on a regular basis like, “This site isn’t working because of page speed.” I don’t know if you have-

Matt Bertram: All right, so look, if you’re doing SEO and you’re spending a bunch of money, page speed matters, user experience matters. It affects not just what Google does, but it affects how long people are staying off the page. If they’re bouncing off, are they just clicking the back button if it’s not loading? It affects the user experience, so it’s kind of a dependency.

Chris Burress: Right.

Matt Bertram: But we recommend, if you’re going to spend a bunch of money on SEO, why not spend $100 on a cloud based server.

Chris Burress: Right. [crosstalk 00:15:13]

Matt Bertram: We’ve been testing out AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, also DigitalOcean’s grade two. I’m kind of running my own test right now, I should probably publish the results, like a study online. Basically I think Google takes care of themselves like they take care of YouTube. I don’t have definitive data on that yet.

Chris Burress: [crosstalk 00:15:33] yet.

Matt Bertram: But I’m collecting it right now, and I would recommend moving to the cloud if you’re on a shared server and you want to do SEO. It’s just not a good use of your money, and you’re like the mouse and the milk, and you’re trying to make cheese, and you’re eventually going to get there by all this SEO. Why not just speed up your site and it’ll help across the board.

Chris Burress: It also goes back to a good experience for the Google user. If it takes a long time for your page to load up, they’re just bouncing, and that’s not a good experience.

Matt Bertram: That hurts you big time, man.

Chris Burress: That’s very, very painful.

Matt Bertram: Uh-huh.

Chris Burress: Surprising enough, it turns out that optimization score has a huge influence on ranking these days. And this is talking about the Google page speed optimization, so you’ve done that PageSpeed Insight.

Matt Bertram: I would recommend use-

Chris Burress: We’ve got some different data on this. What’s interesting is, the PageSpeed Insights … Again, there’s two tools that Google has. One of them is built into Chrome and can give you really good results, and then you can use those PageSpeed Insights, it can give you really bad results.

Matt Bertram: I would even recommend, from what I’m seeing, and where things are moving to, is they came out with a new tool called Lighthouse.

Chris Burress: Yeah, that’s the one inside Chrome.

Matt Bertram: Well Lighthouse is just amazing, and I recommend you don’t look at PageSpeed, you look at Lighthouse. We’re seeing that data’s a lot more accurate, and it’s kind of a tool that Google built after the fact, so I would take a look at that.

Chris Burress: Yeah. The way to get to that, if you’re looking at your page on a Chrome browser, you right click it, you click “inspect,” so I think that’s the last one on that first menu, and then this window will open. Usually, if you haven’t changed it, and I always have mine on the bottom, but usually I think it’s on the right, and one of the tabs is “audit”. So click the audit, it’ll fire off the Lighthouse audit tool.

Matt Bertram: I don’t do it that way. I just go to the website and drop it in.

Chris Burress: Oh, you go to the Lighthouse and then do it, yeah.

Matt Bertram: But that seems a lot more efficient.

Chris Burress: Is a lot easier.

Matt Bertram: So that’s good.

Chris Burress: All right, you can also consider implementing AMP pages, right, Accelerator Mobile Pages.

Matt Bertram: Those work. Guys, are you changing your opinion on AMP?

Chris Burress: You haven’t told me the data, you haven’t told me to change my opinion yet.

Matt Bertram: Okay. AMP’s working, guys. AMP’s working.

Chris Burress: Yeah.

Matt Bertram: You’ve got to have the right framework to have a good looking AMP page.

Chris Burress: Right. Because that goes back to the user experience.

Matt Bertram: Yeah, that’s really what we’re seeing, is certain themes or whatever you’re using. If you’re using WordPress, if you’re AMPing the pages, it really depends on what the AMP page looks like.

Chris Burress: Right.

Matt Bertram: And they’re not very difficult to do, and we’ve been doing it on just the pages we’re wanting to rank. We’re not amping the whole site before we launch or anything like that. We’re seeing some mixed results from it, but very positive.

Chris Burress: So I haven’t changed my opinion, because I’ve heard mixed results and then I [crosstalk 00:18:27].

Matt Bertram: It’s a good SEO strategy. You should look at it.

Chris Burress: It makes sense that it should work. All right, number 12, dwell time and bounce rate. To be completely honest with you, both of these metrics depend massively on the type of query. Because in reality, there are things that you can go like, “What is the zero-60 time of a Tesla model three?” And you could land on a page … If the search result doesn’t satisfy you, you could land on a page, spend a couple seconds there, have the data you need, and then bounce. It could happen really fast, and it could be a bounce, and for that search term, that’s okay. So it does depend-

Matt Bertram: So you’re answering the question, it sounds like, as “It depends.”

Chris Burress: It depends. I mean it does matter, it depends on the query. That’s the statement.

Matt Bertram: It depends on you versus the other people you’re trying to rank for that term on how well you’re doing.

Chris Burress: Okay.

Matt Bertram: And I can tell you that I think, if you’re on the page longer, like you throw a video on there or something like that … I don’t know if Google’s delineating yet. I’m sure they will.

Chris Burress: On this search, [crosstalk 00:19:31] you’re probably right.

Matt Bertram: For this search, I think you want longer.

Chris Burress: Yeah.

Matt Bertram: Our target, just so everybody knows, because people ask me this all the time, two minutes, 60 seconds. We want them on the site for session to be two minutes, and we want the bounce rate, we’re trying to get down to 60%.

Chris Burress: Percent. So dwell time-

Matt Bertram: And we need to have bread crumbs.

Chris Burress: Just like the bounce rate, again a user could spend a short amount of time and get their … So one of the things that I’ve got here, “How do you increase dwell time,” video. So imagine you do the search, “What’s the zero to 60 on a Tesla model three,” and it has the data there, and then it has a video of, “Tesla model-”

Matt Bertram: Can you verify, Chris?

Chris Burress: I can. I can now verify.

Matt Bertram: Oh yeah!

Chris Burress: It’s fast.

Matt Bertram: It’s fast.

Chris Burress: It’s fast.

Matt Bertram: It’s very fast.

Chris Burress: It’s kind of like “Whoa, that’s fast” fast.

Matt Bertram: It’s awesome.

Chris Burress: Yeah. So if you had a video right under that, and it was like, “Tesla three versus M3,” or whatever, that’s probably going to get them to stay longer, and then Google’s algorithm is just going to be like, “They stayed longer, this must be better data,” and it’ll go [inaudible 00:20:34] .

Chris Burress: The other thing is, you can add a comment section. If you can get people … Because it takes a while to leave a comment. If you can get people to leave comments, they’re going to have a longer dwell time.

Matt Bertram: All right, Chris, actually I’ve got somewhere to be.

Chris Burress: Yes. We’ll wrap up 13 and 14 really quickly.

Matt Bertram: And let’s do a minute each, and do speed.

Chris Burress: 13, page authority within your website. So page rank is one of the strongest things, your page is influenced by internal pages. so you have a hard time controlling inbound links. The thing that you have total control of is your on-page links. So make sure you have an on-page link soloing done right for your website.

Matt Bertram: It’s just your internal votes in your team, or in your company, of who are you pointing to. What’s more important for the user when they come in, what do you want to make sure they see, and you want to visually map that out before you do it, and really put some thought into that.

Chris Burress: One of the things he says is make sure each page is within three clicks from the home page.

Matt Bertram: For sure.

Chris Burress: And if you’ve got some page that’s buried internally that you’d like to be ranking better, like get some text links from the home page to it to help enhance it.

Matt Bertram: Yeah.

Chris Burress: And number 14, ding ding ding! We need like an end, ding ding ding!

Matt Bertram: All right!

Chris Burress: Https your site. That’s really …

Matt Bertram: Yeah, if you haven’t done that yet, you really need to do that. Just look for the little s up in the corner. If you don’t have it-

Chris Burress: It’s the little black symbol, yeah.

Matt Bertram: Yeah, people bounce so quick. And really, we had a big company come in, well a company that has a lot of money that got invested in, got a startup company that got funded, and they told me, the owner told me, that they lost …

Chris Burress: An investor.

Matt Bertram: An investor, because they didn’t have the s.

Chris Burress: The little lock symbol.

Matt Bertram: Yeah, so you’ve got to have the lock symbol. If you’re doing ecommerce, you’ve got to have the lock symbol. But in general, no one wants to go to a site that’s unsecure. And also, If you have a unsecure site … and I actually was talking to this lady at this wedding, oh my gosh, that was taking credit card information-

Chris Burress: From a unsecured site.

Matt Bertram: Fro an unsecured site, and these were big clients that she was dealing with.

Chris Burress: And they were doing it. That’s the crazy thing.

Matt Bertram: Yeah, people were doing it. And that’s just super dangerous, but even if you submit your information on a secured site people can have access to it.

Chris Burress: Yeah.

Matt Bertram: It’s a standard thing that Google wants. Please secure your site.

Chris Burress: Just do it. All right, so if you like this podcast, please tell three people about the podcast right now. If you’re interested in growing your business with the largest, simplest marketing tool on the planet-

Matt Bertram: The internet!

Chris Burress: Call eWebResults for increased profit in your business. 713-592-6724. If you please remember we were filmed live here at 13501 Northwest Freeway, Suite 100-34.

Matt Bertram: 35.

Chris Burress: Five.

Matt Bertram: You were like, “I’ve got it now.”

Chris Burress: I’ve got it. Houston Texas, 77040. If you would like transcript, video, or audio of this podcast, you can find it on our website,

Matt Bertram: And if you would like a ride in Chris’s Tesla, the line-

Chris Burress: Stop on by.

Matt Bertram: Stop on by, and the line is [crosstalk 00:23:43].

Chris Burress: Pull a number.

Matt Bertram: Yeah, exactly.

Chris Burress: This is a great podcast, thank you guys for tuning me in. Punch in the face to Ali Berezovich, always writing good articles. Until the next … Oh wait. You guys have made us one of the most popular internet marketing podcasts on iTunes, [crosstalk 00:23:57] …

Matt Bertram: Oh thank you. Please leave us a review on Yelp.

Chris Burress: Yep.

Matt Bertram: Yep. Yelp.

Chris Burress: Until the next podcast, my name’s Chris Burress.

Matt Bertram: My name’s Matt Bertram.

Chris Burress: Bye-bye for now.

Matt Bertram: Bye-bye for now.