Gary Illyes Interview - Happiness and Sunshine from Google | Discussion with Top Google Algorithm Expert about current Search trends! #502

Ep. 50276 min2020-11-16

Gary Illyes from Google clarifies that EAT is not a ranking signal, links matter more in less mature language markets, and small businesses can compete by specializing and optimizing images for visual search.

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Interview with Google Webmaster Trends Analyst Gary Illyes on latest search trends!, Having 1st aired in 2009, with over 3.6 million downloads in 100+ counties, “SEO Podcast, The Best SEO Podcast has become one of the longest-running and most authoritative podcasts for staying ahead of the perpetually changing digital marketing landscape.Great for internal marketers, business owners, and agencies from novice to…

Questions this episode answers

Is EAT a Google ranking signal?

No. Gary Illyes states directly that EAT is not a ranking signal. It is a framework written for human quality raters to explain what Google algorithms look for. The best source to understand EAT is the publicly available raters guidelines document, which he describes as over 150 pages long.

Do you need links to rank in Google?

Not always, but links matter more in less mature language markets. Gary Illyes explains that on the English-language internet Google understands the web well enough that pages can rank without external links. In other language areas, a lack of links creates a data void that makes ranking much harder.

How can small businesses compete with big brands in Google search?

Gary Illyes recommends specializing in one thing and doing it exceptionally well, optimizing images so the business appears in image search results, and creating a painless purchase experience. He uses a small Zurich bakery that specialized in croissants and offered fast bike delivery as a real example.

What changed with Google's no-follow link treatment?

Google shifted from treating no-follow as a directive to treating it as a hint, matching what most other search engines already did. This allows Google to discover harmful content such as spam or malware links that were previously invisible because a no-follow annotation hid them from the algorithm.

In their words

you have to come up with something special that will make people remember you because if they remember you, then your, then their friends will remember you as well by extension, because they will talk about you.

Gary Illyes
Terms defined in this episode
EAT (Expertise, Authoritativeness, Trustworthiness)
Not a ranking signal but a framework in Google's raters guidelines explaining to human quality raters what the algorithms look for when evaluating content quality.
LTCP (Language Demotion Country Promotion)
A Google signal that boosts search results geographically relevant to the searcher's location and demotes results in languages the searcher is unlikely to want.
No-follow as a hint
Google's updated treatment of the no-follow link attribute, changing it from a strict directive that blocked signal flow to a hint that Google may use or ignore, allowing discovery of spam and harmful links.
Site move tool
A feature in Google Search Console that transfers ranking signals from an old domain or site structure to a new one during a rebrand or migration, unless the move is flagged as spammy.

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